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Response to Experiment 1: The Evil Demon

3/6/2015

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Have you been thinking about this week's thought experiment? Time's up! As a reminder, here is the problem I posted for consideration:

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     Is anything so self-evident that it cannot be doubted? Is it not possible that our lives are no more than dreams, or that the world is just a figment of our imaginations? Outlandish though these notions are, the mere fact that they are conceivable shows that the reality of the physical world can be doubted.
     There are other ideas, however, which seemed to be so clear and self-evident that they must be true. For instance, whether you are awake or asleep, two plus two makes four. A triangle must have three sides whether the world, real or imaginary, contains triangles or not.
     But what if God, or some powerful, malicious demon, is tricking you? Couldn't such an evil spirit fool you into believing that the false is obviously true? Haven't we seen hypnotists make people count to ten, unaware that they have missed out the number seven? And what of a man who, in a dream, hears four strikes of the clock tower bell and finds himself thinking, "How odd. The clock has struck one four times!"
     If the evil Demon is a possibility, is there anything which is beyond doubt?

Baggini, J., The Pig That Wants to Be Eaten, 2005, p. 1.
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So we start with an exercise intended to cast doubt on everything you think you know. This is an old trick of philosophy to shake you out of your routine and put you in a place where you are open to reexamining issues you thought were settled. That's a useful mindset to have, but this method of getting there often backfires since it just means all the reexaminations cannot be trusted either. How many annoying freshman philosophy majors have thrown up that roadblock to conversations everywhere?

Sure, the evil demon is a possibility. And so is a universe run by a Judeo-Christian god, or by a host of gods on Mount Olympus, or in an advanced civilisation's computer simulation, or in an infinite number of other imagined scenarios. But we see no evidence of this. The laws of nature don't suddenly change from one day to the next at the whim of these puppet masters. If anything is up there pulling the strings...so what? Does that mean we should do anything differently? No, it does not.

Nothing is beyond doubt, and nothing is certain. As I said in my tenet #2, our knowledge is probabilistic. "Does being only 99.99...% sure that the sun will rise tomorrow mean that all knowledge is fatally flawed and we should abandon all efforts of planning and learning? Of course not! It is merely a reminder that we are not perfected creations and should not be surprised to see our knowledge grow and change as our observations and logical reasoning grow and change. It is a reminder that we will always have work to do in this endeavor to understand the universe and our survival within it. And it is a caution that we must be careful about going too far down an uncertain path (with, for example, climate change, genetic modifications, geoengineering, or agricultural monocultures) without hedging our bets against our uncertainties. We must find the balance between our ignorance and our hubris. We must find confidence: not meek under-confidence, not rash over-confidence. We must have a proud humility about what we have learned and what we still need to know."

What do you think? Do you doubt my answer? A small part of you should, but hopefully you'll say I'm probably right.
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Dan
3/6/2015 09:16:18 am

"Is anything so self-evident that it cannot be doubted?"

Yes, that all things should be doubted. You agree that all things should be doubted so the statement all things should be doubted is beyond doubt.

(yes, I get the use of the liar's paradox, but it is fun nonetheless).

Getting to the crux of your post, "Nothing is beyond doubt, and nothing is certain" because all knowledge is probabilistic, that seems reasonable. As a scientist, I would like to know if we can quantify the methods used for that probabilistic assessment. It seems sometimes we can, and sometimes our methods fail us. Bayesian statistics work great for human and animal behavior most of the time, but sometimes it fails. That makes it fun though. If we figured out rules and principles for all human behavior, wouldn't we be bored?

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@EdGibney link
3/7/2015 02:08:29 am

Good point. All generalisations are false, including this one. : )

As for quantifying the methods used for probabilistic assessments of doubt, I don't know if that can be done. Nassim Taleb made an excellent study of this realm of uncertainty in his book The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable. How do we quantify what we don't know so we can weigh it against the value of what we do know? English biologists had seen a lot of white swans and were pretty certain all swans were white. If they had realised they had only inspected, let's say, 83% of the world's surface, then that might tell them there was a 17% chance they were 100% wrong. But that's too simplistic as they didn't know the historical influences of isolation and evolution on that remaining 17% of the world, which would change the probability that there would be a black swan somewhere in there or not. But how could they know any of that without having gone there? Taleb makes the strong case that we can't know. So he says we have to step carefully into that darkness wherever consequences would be especially large. It didn't really matter if we thought swans were white or not, so it didn't hurt to say they were. To take another example, we don't know the consequences of GM food though, and if there is a problem with them, they could (improbably, but conceivably) poison us and infect the entire food supply. Is that a "black swan" event we should try to avoid? No matter how small we ignorantly estimate the probability? Taleb would say yes. And so do I. Limited trial and error is the way forward there. Find a way to segregate some food supply for a sufficient experiment. (That's kind of what Europe is imposing upon America, though we have let some GMOs in.)

And yes, that's what makes the prospect of even immortal life fun. We'll never figure it all out.

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YouWereDoingSoWell
3/25/2025 08:52:12 pm

I liked your answers against a priori reasoning. Just to be disappointed that your answer to evil demons, arguably one of the better indicts on empiricism, to boil down to "who cares?", which misses the point. I'd be happy to elaborate further.

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Ed Gibney link
3/26/2025 09:44:42 am

You're right! This was the very first of 100 thought experiments and I was still pretty early in my philosophical journey. I go much deeper on the implications of Descartes' evil demon in later posts. In particular, these two:

https://www.evphil.com/blog/knowledge-cannot-be-justified-true-belief

https://www.evphil.com/blog/draft-of-my-paper-on-the-origin-of-knowledge

TLDR: Evil demons and other skeptical arguments puncture our hopes for certainty but they don't actually affect any of the evidence that we do accumulate. So, there's still a little bit left of "who cares?" in there. Just as long as we acknowledge that all knowledge is seemingly provisional.

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YouWereDoingSoWell
3/28/2025 04:19:42 am

I have to admit that im sort of a fan of all of your work in a hate-ish kind of way. I've been compiling arguments in defense of Deontology, more specifically kantian ethics.
Being mainly:
Evil demons
Mary's Room
Is-ought
The missing shade of blue
Two parallel lines
The naturalistic fallacy (and the second version proposed by Robert Hanna who I like to imagine is essentially the antithesis of your work)
The Darwinnian Dilemma
Induction fails.
and a few others that I don't remember off the top of my head.

I don't expect you to link your answers as an empiricist to all of these (and I've already seen you completely and comprehensively refute the missing shade of blue much to my disappointment), but I'm just curious to know what you think the strongest arguments against empiricism are in your mind, or if you think there's a case for deontology at all!

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Ed Gibney link
3/28/2025 01:59:09 pm

Um...thanks? : )

I would start by noting that you're talking about two different things here. Empiricism is dealing with epistemology, while deontology is dealing with morality. Those are traditionally two very different branches of philosophy. However, I think they are linked! More on this below.

So, first, the traditional alternative to empiricism is rationalism / idealism, but I honestly think that just doesn't hang together. I don't know any good proponents of that to take seriously. To me, the strongest arguments that empiricism has to deal with are: skeptical questions of infinite regress, Descartes' evil demons, Hume's problem of induction, Kant's noumena beyond the phenomena, Gettier problems, and Putnam / Bostrom on brains in vats or simulations. In my latest post, however, I argue that these just limit the certainty of empiricism, not its pragmatic usefulness. It's only when philosophers insist on holding onto the perfect eternal certainty of truth that they get into problems with empiricism. Otherwise, it just works.

As for deontology, I think it has its place, but it is not enough on its own. It is usually considered one of the three main moral camps, along with consequentialism and virtue ethics. In my second peer-reviewed paper (about the definition of harm), I offered a glimpse of how I would define "good" for each of these major camps.

https://www.crimejusticejournal.com/article/view/1280/939

What I didn't get to say in that paper, but want to say soon in another one, is how exactly I would combine all three of these moral camps. I think that they each have their place *depending on the epistemic situation* that one is in. For example, when you are pretty sure about the future consequences of your actions, consequentialism works. Or, when you are confident about the rules of the past continuing to work in similar situations, then those deontological rules are fine guides. When neither of these options are available, then virtue ethics act as good guides for trials and errors until we know the consequences of our actions. I think this combination of the three moral camps actually mimics for morality what large corporations already do for their employees when they provide 1) a list of "corporate values" (a kind of virtue ethics), 2) employee "handbooks" (a kind of deontology), and 3) clear "goals" for profits or missions (a kind of consequentialism). So, in my view, all three of the moral camps are necessary, but none are sufficient on their own. And all can be refined (as I say in my harm paper) by evolutionary ethics.

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